Why is Hindi India's national language?
This question on The Sunday Times of India in its question-answer column called 'Open Space' made me curious enough to find out if the questioner, presumably a young student, has any links... Read The Article
Guys, Guys,,,, Please dont a superior language Hindi as a point of agitiatoin. Do remember thatentire northern Belt speaks and understands Hindi. And as far as Southern Belt is conderned, 80% including Tamils understand that....Now whats the point any northern guy would take pains to undrstand any other langauge, and even if he choses to ..in his 30's or 40's howmany can he....Just by hating any langauge, you are doing exactly what our forefathers did..be proud of our culture...and stand apart...ultimately gave in to aggresors and remanied under chains for hundred of years....Europeans did exactly the same thing in past, but now each one of them recognises English not as something bad, but as an oppirtunity...Now, if South Indians still want to Hate Hindi..or Hidustan(I must say that) then they are welcome to....Pakistan or Arab countries are not far off...and all they are waiting for similar partitions in our society thats cirrently happening on religious ground...So from mow on...start saying such bullshits...that goes on to show.."HOW DIVIDED WE STAND & HOW EASILY WE CAN BE ANNEXED...LONG LIVE DIVIDED SOCIETIES OF INDIA"
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 17:53 )
Don't you get the point about arrogance? You are questioning our patriotism based on our choice of language. We have Hindi speaking terrorist as well. Refusal to speak Hindi, doesn't mean we are not patriotic. We live in Hindustant not Hindistan
( Posted by Overthefence on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 18:23 )
Rajesh
I agree there is ahindi hatred phenomenon in India, but then it has more to do with people from the Hindi belt, even now most north indian people would call anyone from AP, TN, KL, KA a madrasi. It show lack of knowledge and also a lot of arrogance, which needless to say started Hindi-Hatred. The other major problem was forcing people down south to adopt Hindi. Most north indians in south are higher ups in their offices so it was their subordinates who learnt Hindi to communicate with them India never had a single dominant langauge, closest langauge which comes is English, unfortunately the politicians don't have the guts to call it as the offical medium. And in anycase if there is a need one would learn any langauge.
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 17:47 )
Harish
I would give an example here :
I am from Gujarat and my roommate was from coastal AP. One day he get one latter from his father addressed in Talugu. When this later rached to Bangalore the post office department was unable to read address so it was retanslated by someone in English and deleived to my friend. It took two months to deliver the latter.
Cant we have one common language ?? If people hate Hindi then why cant we have Snaskrit as our official language.
I am sure nobody will oppose in India to make Sanskrit as official language.
I request from CNN-IBN to have a open debate on this.
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 17:33 )
Simple Solution : he should have mentioned the pincode correctly .
( Posted by suresh v iyengar on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 19:53 )
Overthefence
Childish!
That is the nature of most arguements being shared. This is not a discussion about which language is better, more spoken or older. The forum is debating why is there an extreme opinion about Hindi in some parts of the country.
It is a fact that a large population who have languages other than Hindi as their mother tongue have learned Hindi, speak it fluently and transact with Hindi belt. We feel a need to do so and have done so voluntarily.
However, whether it is a child or adult, if things are forced on people, we resists. It is exactly the same with Hindi. If you command that people should learn Hindi, people resist. If we see the need we will. However, if it is for the convenience of Hindi speaking people that the rest should learn Hindi, then you are sowing seeds of dissension.
All those who accuse Tamils of being lingual fanatics, just examine yourself. What are you if you will not see my point and refuse to learn my language in return?
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 17:19 )
Nobody is forcing you to learn hindi. I guess I never told anybody to learn hindi. I simply conversed with him if he was comfortable in hindi else I talked with him in english. I never told anyone to go learn hindi or else dont show your face. I am really not sure what you mean when you say everyone is forcing you to learn hindi.
If you want others to learn your language, you better be open and more co-operartive rather than trying to bully everyone around. If people can learn english and bangla they can learn tamil too if you help them learn it rather than force it.
( Posted by vipin on Thursday , January 18, 2007 at 09:18 )
Pot calling kettle black! You don't want us to force you learn Tamil. But you insist that Hindi should be learnt and spoken by all. Ha, ha, ha
( Posted by Overthefence on Thursday , January 18, 2007 at 13:11 )
Sachin
A friend of mine introduced me to his friend. So I started off in English and Hindi as well. She suddenly popped up a Question "Arre baba he is from South, why dont you talk in South Indian". South Indian?? What does that mean. She like most of the people still thinks that South India speaks one common language. Readers, theres Kannada, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil, Tulu, Konkani, Coorgi etc that are spoken. I can speak fluent Marathi- The first language I lernt and I was born in Thane, Mumbai, Malayalam- my mother tongue, Tamil- as I studiied in SIES and had tamil neighbours and friends, Gujarati- I stayed in Gujarat and worked in a Gujju company, Kannada- I m deputed to Karnataka, Bengali- I spend about 15 days every month in Kolkata. The fact is since certain regions are economically well developed (West & South) and score high on Human Development Index. People from other regions migrate for business and work which is perfectly okay. When migrating people resist learning local culture including language,locals feel disturbed. The quest for superiority amongst our country and its culture will lead us nowhere. As India grows Indians should be more open to learn and to change for good. The
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 16:47 )
esun
i am tamil and proud about it.i get more pride of being an indian. the tamil generation born between 1960-75 were told not to learn hindi. the entire generation lost an opportunity in rest of india.now they say we should not learn english. god help this generation.
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 16:21 )
Ramu
Simple re...every south state pays tax. they buy railway tickets promptly. But what's the state of those languages in the railway dept? Some how tamils managed to firewall and mallus also. otherwise for KA and AP it's a huge loss.
Also, why hindi prachaar sabha re? masti kya? why not kannada prachaar sabha in sarkaari money? or telugu prachaar sabha? dilli waalon ko kya election campaigning easy ho jaaneka..nai...?
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 16:07 )
What are you trying to convey?
( Posted by venkat on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 16:52 )
venkat, dont bother. Ramu is the typical servant charecter in hindi movies. With time Ramu has managed to pick up a few english alphabets and is now trying his best to convey his random thoughts to the audience writing Hindi in English alphabets. Keep trying Ramu!!!
( Posted by Tamil Iyer on Thursday , January 18, 2007 at 20:29 )
Indo Aryan
When tamil is not derived from indo aryan sanskrit famil,why is it using sanskrit words? Of course other languages like bengali , hindi, marathi gujarati etc can use sanskrit words because they are derived from same Indo aryan language (Sanskrit) family. So it is natural for these languages to get characteristics from their ancestor. But its unnatural for tamil as it doesn't belong to indo aryan sanskrit family.It is something like your child is getting neighbor’s characteristics instead of yours. Hope every body here got my point.
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 15:19 )
If u beleive that Tamil is full of Sanskrit then why u people are not able to understand Tamil. A marathi can understand Hindi mariginally likewise a Gujarathi.
Can you tell me that a Marathi, Gujarathi, Hindi people can understand a bit of tamil if two people were speaking in Tamil.
U can find some words like Bandh etc used in Tamil i.e only after 1900 since Tamil Nadu is Part of India and we get orders from central Govt which are Hindi words.
I am asking you can u understand atleast a bit if two peoples talk in Tamil? Then how come u say all the words are from sanskrit?
We dont depend others. There is no neccessarity for us to learn other language which is not going to be of any use to us.
If ur not satisfied search in net about tamil and give me the URL where Tamil is mentioned as a Aryan language and not Dravidian language.
Even Aish mother tongue is Tulu. Its also a dravidian language and not aryan language.
( Posted by Selva on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 15:54 )
Great Selva, Tamil is an Independent language and originated before sanskrit, there are lots of proof available for that.
Even language of Harrapa-Mohenjadaro civilization is also assumed to be an Dravidian Language. The Harrapa-Mohenjadaro civilization is the earliest civilization of India.
Sanskrit and all can later to India, Tamil contributed lot to other languages. There are some Tamil words available is Sanskrit, English, Latin, Portugese, etc.
( Posted by Rajan on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 17:06 )
So? what is this thread leading to? seems to be a mindless ego clash!
( Posted by Siddharth Khadke on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 18:25 )
"Tamil is an Independent language and originated before sanskrit" . where is the proof . sanskrit is the odest indian language originated some 5000 years back . 2500 years back sanskrit grammer was written . at this stage tamil was in initial stages of development . check the facts before u speak
( Posted by ravi on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 18:27 )
This is the proof for Tamil is older than Sanskrit.
The language of Indus Valley Civilization is appeared to be structurally related to Dravidian languages(i.e Tamil).
The currently dead Sanskrit came after that to India, but Tamil is still existing with full energy.
http://www.answers.com/topic/indus-valley-civilization
( Posted by Rajan on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 20:27 )
sorry rajan the above link doesnt prove your statment . "Some advocate designating the Indus Valley culture the "Sarasvati-Sindhu Civilization," Sindhu being the Sanskrit name of the Indus River. Saraswati river's " -- this is what i found in that link.
answers.com simply give the matter present in other websites say wikipedia.
In fact wikipedia says tamil origin evidence is found at 200BCE . but kannada origin evidence is at 230 BCE .
Does this mean " kannada is older than tamil " . I feel not . Sanskrit presence evidence is at 1500BCE . sanskrit grammer written at 500BCE as i said before .
since anyone can edit wikipedia we cannot conclude that the matter present in wiki is 100% perfect. But one thing is quite sure sanskrit is quite older than tamil . sanskrit is also termed as diva basha .
Try other link and this time give sound proof .
( Posted by ravi on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 21:28 )
Mr. Rajan
Don't be in illusion & mislead the people by saying that Dravidian language is Tamil. The actual fact is that all the south languages originated from Pre-Dravidian language. Tamil could have originated before. Infact there are some claims that Kannada was born prior to Tamil
( Posted by Shri on Thursday , January 18, 2007 at 19:10 )
"Infact there are some claims that Kannada was born prior to Tamil "
these so called "claimants" would be none other than kannadigas themselves. - "what do we lose anyway. just make a sensational claim" - seems to be your attitude.
( Posted by Tamil Iyer on Thursday , January 18, 2007 at 20:53 )
Yeah, yeah, Tamil Iyer. May be Kannadiga's might have made that SENSATIONAL CLAIM as you Tamilian have made your SENTIMENTAL CLAIM.. You Tamilians always have a feeling that MINE IS GREAT!! And make your claims with a REAL LOUD MOUTH. And you know why the people get confused between TAMILIAN & DRAVIDIAN? Because of your loud mouth and less civilized natures, you make your presence annoyingly felt everywhere!! Hence all south Indians are labelled MADRASI-s. Tamilians are only next to Muslims in unnecessary racist and linguistic wars, I can say.
( Posted by Furtado on Monday , February 05, 2007 at 17:51 )
Hi Shri,
You said "There are some claims that Kannada was born prior to Tamil".
You can claim anything whatever you want, but there is a truth. Tamil has great books wrritten before 2000 years ago. No one can find when Tamil was born, Tamil must be the one of the very first languages of Mankind according to archeologists.
All Dravidian languages has 30-60% of Ancient Tamil words. This is the proof to say that Tamil is mother language of All Dravidian Languages. This is fact and accepted world wide by all language researchers.
Kannada's 40% of words are from Tamil Telugu's 20% of words are from Tamil Malayalam's 60% of words are from Tamil
Tamil words are present in Sanskrit, Portugese, Chinese, Greek, Latin, Spanish, English, etc.
So don't ever claim Kannada was born prior to Tamil.
The rest of the world except you says otherway around.
( Posted by Rajan on Thursday , January 25, 2007 at 19:41 )
Hi there! Sanskrit has been included into southern languages, even Tamil for that matter, by the migration of Brahmin community from North India to South India. It took place centuries ago according to Hindu mythology and history.
( Posted by ZPC on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 17:16 )
Anoop
With increasing globalisation, the regional languages have a very limited role to play. They have been marginalised because they are not important in the scheme of things. This will slowly be he fate of Hindi too. Already large cities in North India are finding the language irrelevant in business and commerce. This is the fate of all our languages whether we like it or not.
( Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 14:56 )
venkat
Hi, I see some messages asking for their states to be removed (like Karnataka, Andhra) to be removed from hatred list. The question is : Why such a hatred for Hindi has come?
Some South Indian states don't show that much hatred like TN because (may be) because They are internally conscious to develop their langauge but they don't need to show anti-hindi agitations..
I agree that TN guys are aggressive for hindi-hatred but we cannot say from agitations if Hindi - hatred is minimum in some states or maximum.
In a Karantaka Govt Bus, we don't see any Hindi placards there but only Kannada (not even English). In TamilNadu Govt Bus, we could see (not at all places) both Tamil, English but not Hindi..
Now, Can we say that Kannadigas hate Hindi more than TN guys or vice versa?? It is diffcult to categorise the level of Anti Hindi agitations...
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